Hi to you all,
I stumbled upon this site whilst trying to find polar data. (yes have found it ) then started to read your posts about cards.
I got hooked into Vr with the VDG a while ago, no cards back then.
Then all changed with lost polar info and silly cards to un-barrel. Well what a
dumbing down of a very good sailing game, and we now have a minimum 4Knots. Ug.
Since the cards have been introduced, I have not played a single one. Nop, not one. I read your comments and wonder what it is you are so worried about.
My best result so far has been 16th, this by pitting my wits against all you full wardrobed yachts with your computer enabled tracks to follow. No wonder its hard to get to the front, your all cheating.
Why don’t you all log in at the start then let the computer do the race for you, that way you can all finish first.
I have been sailing ever since I was able to float, and have sailed all kinds of dinghy’s, yachts and once a canal barge. This virtual sailing is brilliant if you try sailing with your own tactics. Not those from a computer! Who are you kidding? Of course you will never win against a calculator, after all this vr is nothing but numbers. So you let the computer crunch the numbers and you follow your captains instructions. So who is sailing your Vr yacht? You or a computer.
I was so impressed with how often the top sailors were continually at the cutting edge all the time, relentlessly winning. Time and time again. Wow they are so good.!!
Wow ! hang on a moment!! Its not them at all. Its virtual sailors sailing virtual yachts.
So, for you hungry, want to win at all costs, not really sailors. Take a look at what is going on, your kidding yourselfers as to how good you are.
I am sailing the Jules Verne, deliberately with just jib and spinnaker. Nothing else. I know I cannot win, yet everyone I do beat, I have beaten using my knowledge and forecasting.
Just finished the Clipper stage 6, in 431st place. With limited sails, and a whole lot of cold tea. That felt so good to beat a whole chunk of good sailors ( or were they computers ) , the reason I think I did quite well is the computer struggles with shifting wind’s, and you lot didn’t know what to do, Ha!!!
The last leg of the Volvo was nothing short of a possession, with hardy any tactics. And hey presto the tops were first. Wonder how they did that?
It might be nice to have a no cards, no way points, and only two sails race. And to pick a weather pattern from a couple of years ago, so the computers have nothing to cheat with. See how you deal with that scenario!
I am sure you know where I am coming from by now, the top lot aren’t that good if they need help.
Perhaps their boats should have a flag, saying robot on board.
Now that I have found the all important polar data, I can plan better when to expect a sail change. Or at what angle to get the best vmg, and to limit the number of penalty’s I have to suffer trying a trial and error approach with this stupid new game interface.
Glugwort.
Post by
RastaSLO | 2018-01-15 | 10:31:41
Hello Glugwort.
First of all, we must all agree that this is a game, a voluntary decision of each and every one of us to participate in some sort of competition to check who is better, in decisions and in numbers, but for sure not in sailing, or even real sailing. For that we should meet, sometime, somewhere, maybe ...
Why are you using polars? For cheating? No? Polars are plain numbers. Why are you using map? Anemometer? Compass? Autopilot? Are these cheaters?
No. They are making our lives much more easier. For routing you only need simple cosine and some of the numbers, and routing is done. I am sure there are bots participating in this game, and I would use it aswell if I know how to make one. This router is only a tool. Very good one as you can see that users usually are winners.
But, human decisions, speculations, guesses, risky moves are making winners in this game (actually also in real life, don't you agree). I agree that in short legs it is more or less straightforward, but in longer legs no chance computer can win over human insight into the future and gut feeling.
Use the tool and enjoy the game.
And keep the real sailing. No game can beat the feeling of a real wind.
Post by
United4Ever | 2018-01-17 | 20:10:49
Hello everybody.
I'm a new user, I read the Glugwort's post and I registered my user's account just to reply to him.
I use zezo's software since he put it online, but before it I used several others tools, because is impossible, in my opinion, sailing for weeks in the middle of various (virtual) oceans, without a plain to follow and the right hints to get the best way to reach the destination.
I'm wondering about to rename my boat in "Thanks Zezo", because he was able to put all the virtual skippers in the same condition, equal for everyone.
You can choose your favourite plain, following zezo or the forecast or trying to guess, keeping in mind that we sail with minimum 4 knots, so reality is very different than the game.
Every sailor could sail with just a compass and a map, but even to helm a laser you have technological tools to calculate VMG, WA, WS and so on...
I think you are a "fair player" if you play the game in honest way, not hacking the game (if it's possible to do).
Zezo could take the software just for himself, taking huge advantage against other players, but he didn't. This is the confirmation of his fair play, sharing his knowledge with us all.
So, I think you know all these things, but you preferred to be unpolite accusing thousands of players (because, remember, this is just a game) to be cheaters, getting aces from the sleeve, giving a demonstration that you just want to put discord in the forum, just like a troll.
I would suggest you to enjoy the game, if you can, with or without routers or similar things, and go trolling in other places.
That's all.
PS. I Apologize for my "macheronic English".
Giorgio from Sardinia, Italy (United4Ever)
Post by
Stormbringer | 2018-01-15 | 22:32:57
Sorry but I need to chime in
Glugwort-
You don't seem to understand the spirit of Zezo, or even the concept of what a tool actually is.
Zezo is, and I say this with the utmost respect for Cvetan and his efforts, a dumb tool, like a hammer or a wheel. It can't achieve anything on it's own, it can only spit out an optimized route based on a weather prediction. When the weather prediction changes, which it can do hourly in some parts of the world, the route changes as well. As a result of this, anyone who follows Zezo blindly will be guaranteed NOT to win.
It's pure trigonometry, Glugwort. I hope you've never used a calculator in your life, because if you have you are a hypocrite.
As with any tool, Zezo's degree of usefulness is a function of the skills of the user. Using identical tools, an experienced carpenter would craft a far superior piece of furniture than a novice builder.
You may have had a legitimate complaint if Cvetan was charging money for Zezo, but it is free to any who want to use it.
So instead of channeling your misdirected frustration at just having discovered Zezo by accusing us all of cheating, you should just use it, because when you say you placed 16th overall in a race without using a router, I can promise you that either:
a) you are lying
b) you are completely lacking anything remotely resembling a real life outside of VR
Either way, Zezo will improve your life, which is the ultimate point of a tool to begin with.
This has been a moment of clarity compliments of The Bringer!
Post by
Zilvermeeuw | 2018-01-15 | 23:22:16
Hi sailors, i agree with glugwort. At first, zezo was a magnificent tool, but it has taken the fun out of the game for me. Because you cannot be in the top without it.
And i do not want to follow a machine.
I want to learn by sailing, And trying. And yes, by using polars.
At te leg From Capetown i was somewhere in 3200 place, but it was not my achievement, it was zezo's. ( i plunged inthe game on vor leg two And had never played before)
So i stopped using it, hoping to end between 10.000 And 20.000 in the VOR leg To Hong Kong.
It is not about using tools, or making them availeble to everyone ( which is great zezo), but that if you don't use zezo, you'll never win.
I am a no money player, but i can accept that Vr wants To make money And money players probably wiil win. Cvetan you do exactly the same: zezo users Will win. Mayby not the same everytime, but a zezo user it is.
So, if you switch the zezo router off, Will the usual winners be in front?
I wonder..
Post by
WildWassa | 2018-01-16 | 01:17:15
Although VR is about racing sailboats, it isn't strictly about simulating the sailing of racing sailboats. If you want to simulate racing sailboats, changing sails, pulling on sheets, racing at close quarters, chasing puffs hunting the lifts and avoiding the knocks, collisions at sea and clearing penalties, in both fleet and match racing, play Virtual Skipper.
What is unique about VR and Zezo I find, is that they are magnificent free programmes for virtual sailboat navigators. The skillful navigators with a sound knowledge of making the most of the elements given to them, will do very well.
... and as for legal drug taking in this intellectual sport of virtual sailboat navigation, take NO-DOZ Plus. On the packet it says 'Helps relieve mental fatigue and drowsiness keeping you bright and alert'.
NO-DOZ is the go-to drug of doctors who are forced to work long hours in hospital casualty departments. NO-DOZ sure beats propping open your eyelids with match sticks. TAKE NO MORE THAN 5 NO-DOZ TABLETS WITHIN A 24 HOUR PERIOD!
I hope this helps, those navigators who are adverse to using waypoint and programation cards.
WildWassa.
PS, I had better get back to the Volvo 4th leg, before I lose the plot, even further. Kick boat.
Post by
glugwort | 2018-01-16 | 02:36:06
To the brilliant architect of zezo, I do admire your dedication to do what you do, and for very little reward. That is a rare thing these days, I take my hat off to you for that.
Now your hard efforts are being used by the less hard, (no, soft players) who want to win but don’t want to put the effort in as you have done it for them! A bit like I suppose helping an old lady across the road, she probably can manage to make it across. But would be much quicker with some help.
Now this poor frail old lady, so wants to be like a young person again. And swallows countless cards tokens, and whatever else she can find in the beauty department.
Alas the face lift is obvious to everyone but her!
The users are frail, and in need of your guidance. Well done for being so charitable and thinking of their disadvantage.
By the way, my best result of 16th, was that race when they introduced the minimum 4knot. You poor frail ones all shot north, following your pills and potion’s. And missed the obvious.
Ha, Ha.
Post by
glugwort | 2018-01-16 | 07:25:06
I have to offer my most humble apology’s to the users of zezo’s sailing aid. This I do with my head bowed, and my domineer respectfully adjusted to offend you not.
I had no idea the users had such afflictions, and are suffering so much. The poor things! If there is something I can do to help, I would willingly rub in more zezo ointment. Or may be help them to turn over their cards, and those tokens all scattered across the floor. I shall pick them up and stack them neatly in the huge piles they require. If only I had known about the rehabilitation they are undertaking, it must be so very hard for them to think!
As I have been so inconsiderate, I shall donate some virtual love their way, in the hope they get better. and can live as normal a life as is possible for such an under-evolved species.
I suppose its best to let them be at the front, least they have a tantrum. Oop’s, I think I can hear one coming!
If Virtual Regather wanted assisted tracking, would it not be a part of the game for all to use. ? or is it they can do nothing to stop it.
I know it’s a game, a very slow game, a coloured dot on a screen, we are trying to persuade across to another place. Using the wind, and the fundamentals of sailing.
Hang on a moment! If I tilt my screen that way the dot might go faster. Using gravity to wiz me dot faster than yours.
As clever as the assisted programs are, they make a sham of the so-called racing. Get Virtual Regatta to have an identifier on the assisted yachts. And have them highlighted, have an elite division that we can all see. But again, that is open to those that wish to stay hidden and not revel they use virtual-drugs.
I suppose I have to accept the unscrupulous players will always find a way to get there fix.
To those that tell me to try it, I don’t do drugs. Never have, never will. I race under my own merit, and not that of a program. If I used assisted racing, there would be no challenge!
A pointless pastime, I might as well wind it up and let it tell me when its finished. Then I can marvel in my magnificent’s , and tell everyone how well the computer did.
Yes, a loser, but a proud loser who holds his head up high. Knowing deep inside I did the best I could. ( not the best a computer could )
Gluwort, floundering along behind the drugged up.
Is that another tantrum pounding in my direction?
Oh and to zezo, this is not aimed at you, as you are cleverer than me and most else. It’s for those who are using you. So they can puff up their chests, and swagger about basking in your glory.
Perhaps your users can put an acknowledgment after their boat name, giving you the credit.
That would require a backbone, so is evolutionarily imposable. ( in particular for a certain squashed transport mechanism that follows ) I wonder if that creature can work that one out!
Now I understand who the program was written for!
Post by
nsp | 2018-01-16 | 08:22:10
Dear child,
I've read your rude first post and half of the second idiot one, not even bothering to lose my time to read the others.
So maybe I am goig to be too harsh or even unfair if that's the point, I maybe even cosider to apologize if one of the other members would comment that I overreacted.
But having into consideration the tone and the subject and the substance of your ideas i really am not going to read more than those one and a half posts.
This just to saying that, you know kid, sometimes people have to have the sense of how ridiculous they can be. And also that, they normally have a chance to get out of a ridiculous situation in a smart way.
When someone doesn't use that chance, well... it crosses the line of starting being an idiot, but there's still another chance ahead, if you don't use it, you will cross the border of being a jerk and so on.
I think you are young enough to read this and learn this lesson. Take your chance to get out of your ridiculous initial position and always use your fist way off. Always be polite. And never invade another person's homeplace playing the king of the hill and trying to insult paople and say that you are the best.People imediatly will recognize your inferiority complex and with that you just prove your value in the comunitty is under the level of a bug.
And by the way, as nowadays VR game is a piece of shit as a weather simulator and tactical navigational simm when you put routers out of the way saying you are the best you just prove you are a morron...why? Just because of that, if the game is shit and you can't simulate and you understand nothing about weather systems and navigation you need to have maps and better weather forecasts tools and plotters to make your projections. just like in real boats. And if you never understood, VR is all about that..trying to get as real as possible....unfortunatelly the company that developes the game nowadays is a bit behind what was already in the past, but improving.
One last thing kid,
Never ask anyone to don't get it personal after you turning it personal..its the most idiot thing you can say. And at the same time it's being a smartass and a coward.
Fair winds...and kick your boat up with your spurs cowboy kid ...prove all of us that you are better than a 16th and you were just not lucky or an hacker....but hey..don't use router...and polars...really...do you need that with your level?
Ipyiahey M....F...
NSP
Post by
glugwort | 2018-01-16 | 18:13:54
Hello all,
Some of your comments have been very encouraging, and some I am pleased you have seen the funny side to this forum exchange.
Some have resorted to a base language that is really unnecessary, and rather uncouth.
That has sparked my response in a controlled and I hope humorous way.
I have wanted a sextant of my own, I did use my father’s one many years ago when living on a yacht. (yes a real yacht)
Yes thing’s have moved on, a chart is some think obsolete, and even some dismiss the compass. But when the power drops out as happens on even the most modern yachts. Those tried and trusted charts, compass, sextant still work.
Is this forum just for the those who wish to agree with each other, if so you need only know the phrase “ I concur “ and then you can pass that amongst yourselves.
I have knowingly jumped into the vipers pit here, just to gather some venom. And there is as I had suspected plenty to be reaped, this is now going to be sent to the laboratory for analysis, and to manufacture the antivenin.
Now that I am immune to the toxins, I can start to evaluate better the characteristics of this cell!
By the way for those that are unaware, that was humor!
Please feel free to post those funny cartoons, as they spice up the exchange. But refrain from swearing, as that is reserved for those who have not the vocabulary.
Thank you so much, Your loving Troll.
( a scientist in disguise, formulating a potion )
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