Post by iconPost by PatH | 2012-01-15 | 01:38:04

Hi Cvetan,

I noticed today that often when I choose a larger timestep (5 day or 7 day plan) when tracing roughly the same path, that the larger timestep seems to indicate it will be more efficient (go farther by a set period of time). I would think that the smaller the timestep the more efficient a course the algorithm could find. Are my eyes just going blurry from looking at the screen too much?

Cheers,

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Post by iconPost by zezo | 2012-01-15 | 09:12:50
There is more error in the longer paths. When you do a 7-day run the step i 1 hour. It will overestimate the boat speed if you are headed into weaker winds, because it will sail for 1 hour at the higher speed instead of decreasing it gradually.

That will also change the path a bit.

The other problem is that you can't really fit integer numbers of 1-hour steps in 3.5 hours, so your starting time is rounded to the nearest hour (it uses old wind data for up to a hour after the changes).
Post by iconPost by PatH | 2012-01-15 | 14:37:08
OK thanks Cvetan. I should have figured that out. In summary, the smaller timesteps really are more accurate (as expected). The apparent "enhanced efficiency" of the routes found by the larger timesteps is a combination of numerical and model error. Thanks!
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2012-01-15 | 14:48:26
Yes. You just have to use 2-pass approach - check the general strategy with on the 5-7 day forecast, then set the destination 15-20 hours ahead along the track and request 1-day routing to get very accurate track (same 10-minute steps as the game).

A variable step algorithm could do it in only one pass, but I don't think that the overall result will be too different. The error in the weather model 2-3 days ahead is bigger than the routing error almost all the time.
Post by iconPost by PatH | 2012-01-15 | 17:48:19
Thanks. Pretty much exactly what I've been doing (at least in quarters). In the open ocean I'm not sure I have time to manage 10 minute route adjustments.
Post by iconPost by PatH | 2012-01-15 | 17:52:48
*close-quarters
Post by iconPost by zezo | 2012-01-15 | 18:25:25
Sometimes the more precise track is more stable and straighter than the coarse one, so I usually check it if the 7-day track makes small random turns.
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Nord Stream *3*
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Game on 12Z, but Zezo still working with 06Z
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race wait points
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special boats?
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VR Dashboard in Firefox?
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ESCARGOT CLASS
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Los Angeles - Honolulu
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Rounding a Buoy
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VR Waypoint Heavy Bug Reporting
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Time of ending Jules Verne
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Shore detection by Zezo
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Nord Stream Race 2
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Trying to Break the VR Map Mistery !
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Navigating to "xxx.0" TWA
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Tara4 - no refresh
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Jules Verne: Inconsistency of headings and speeds, simulation !!
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VR, Zezo, Qtvlm card offsets
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Island's coordinates
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Tara Ocean 4
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Solo Maitre Coq
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Adjustable timeshift ?
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gate crossing question
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Expanded View on PC
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Panic at VR Nord
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Delays during the sail changes, or directions changes
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(Game wind = Zezo wind ) ⍯ (Grib winds = Windy.com)
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VR ending the ELO ranking.
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NMEA feed
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Dashboard Map Track Label not including the segment.tag
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VR ingame time
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VIRTUAL REGATTA and Phillip Ganier. Worst and worst every day...
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beta.realsail.net
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Escort Frigate
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Out of memory. If you are the developer of this content ....
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Question about GFS Grib
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RORC Caribbean 600
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sliding VSR
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Trying to use Zezo to select best combination of sails to select
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TARA OCEAN 3
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RORC Transatlantique Race
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Game appears stuck on 00Z weather from yesterday
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Sydney to Auckland
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Personal Message pages deleted
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New zezo fonction
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VR Ranking 2021
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Autosail malfunction
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Comments from a newbie to "long term" routing
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Massive thanks to Cvetan
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Fleet section mode record not working
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Possible routes on the Map tab
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Purple skippers on VR Dashboard
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UTC or CET time ?
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multiple routes?
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Real Sail
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Map a little gloomy
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Trophée Jules Verne - Route à l'envers ?
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Looks like weather updates offline for next 18h
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Bring the good old days back
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All.grib 0.0k ?
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different speed
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Strange 0.5 mille VR Scale
3
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Just an idea for a new feature...
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Connexion impossible
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Donations
7
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New leader - seems to be using Zezo
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Bravo Zezo
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zezo : Huge job - Huge thx
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Difference between boat speed display on VR, dashboard and polar curves
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Vendée Globe: Track lines falling too short of ischrones
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Tara Ocean
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VR winds currently not up to date ?
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"Sails Change" within the Programming
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RORC Transat finish moved to Antigua
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Weather update not appearing...
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Dashboard not updating.
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Boats Skins Vendée Globe
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Safari on iOS: Bearing lines gone
3
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Wrong coordinates in zezo
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Winds in the chart do not show changes between 78 hours and 114 hours forecast
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Decoding of All grib
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I CANNOT ENTER FOR 3 HOURS IN THE GAME
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Why the vc data is yellow underlined ?
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Jules Verne 2020 - "Start NOW" discrepancy VS real time
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Would like to know the reasenable time to update your pisition on zezo
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Arrival Vendée Globe in Normandy !!?
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