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Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 14:15:55

Dear everybody, I started to collect some data from our community and here is the conclusion I got so far. The points you receive is the same number than the credits you got.

For the leg 1&2 of the VOR, they applied the following calculation for the top 50 (maybe top 100)
Points attributed = 1600 * race coefficient / ranking^0.45
And for the leg 3, they applied this new calculation
Points attributed = 1600 * race coefficient / ranking^0.25

The race coefficients are the following:
VSR6 = 1
VSR5 = 2
VSR4 = 3
VSR3 = 4
VSR2 = 5
VSR1 = 6

The same calculation apply to the clipper (leg 2 & 3 : 1600 * race coefficient / ranking^0.45 and leg 4 : 1600 * race coefficient / ranking^0.25)

It is a different calculation for the players arriving after 50 (100?), I would need more data to calculate it.

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Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 14:55:44

And here is the link to excel spreadsheet I have created

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12fXf_a_C9KQAWW0Sj6uDu1pJ1GdklqNki9wcJv0vbSY/edit#gid=1564497598

EDIT : the calculation seems to work for everybody not only for the top 50.

Post by UR2L8 | 2017-12-31 | 15:12:11

Hi, could you make it readable for all?

Post by UR2L8 | 2017-12-31 | 14:57:13

I was at VSR1 when leg 3 started.
I came in on 14th position.
I was awarded 2481 points

The formula then would be
1800x6/(14^0.25) = 5583

But I only got 2481 points/credits?

Post by zezo | 2017-12-31 | 14:59:43

I think marcus has the race VSR in mind, not the player level.
VOR is VSR4, Clipper is 5

Hmm ... 1600*3/sqrt(sqrt(14)) = 2481.47 exactly.

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 15:06:16

Yes that's right. I try to calculate the number of points given for the VOR/clipper. Not the points attributed for the VSR. Maybe I can try later.

Post by zezo | 2017-12-31 | 14:57:34

Points and credits are not exactly the same.

The formula may also include the total number of players, you can try correlating for that - Sydney-Hobart reported 68644, VOR - reported 134431

Here are my data points for the last legs:

Big Bird, VSR 14:
VOR
Rank 57, 1331 points, 1747 coins, 350 buy-back credits for 80 cards (70*5)
Clipper (S-H)
Rank 36, 1029 points, 1306 coins, 140 buy-back credits for 28 cards (28*5)

Snuffleupagus, VSR 4:
VOR:
Rank: 962, 766 points, 862 coins, 350 buy-back for 85 cards
Clipper (S-H)
Rank: 512, 609 points, 673 coins, 80 buy-back for 16 cards

Post by zezo | 2017-12-31 | 15:06:19

Funny.

For the Bird the formula with 1600 is correct for points in VOR and coins in Clipper. One is below 50, the other above.

For his friend it's coins both times. Rank above 50.

Edit: Just checked the numbers again. Always coins.

Post by Ursus Maritimus | 2017-12-31 | 15:11:16

Here are some stats from the lower rankings, with one very nice 60th place in VOR3

race - race level - position - VSR-points - credits - own VSR-level
VOR1 - 6 - 9971 - 25 - 25 - 1
MT2 - 5 - 755 - 162 - 162 - 1
TJF - 3 - 1406 - 245 - 245 - 1
C3 - 4 - 960 - 218 - 218 - 1
VOR2 - 4 - 1400 - 184 - 184 - 1
RORC - 4 - 1830 - 702 - 734 - 1
C4 - 5 - 536 - 644 - 665 -2 - 2
VOR3 - 4 - 60 - 1629 - 1725 - 2

This should add up to 3809 VSR points, but VR is only reporting 3786 (support message sent, will be corrected soon ...)

Not closed:
C5 / SH - 379 - 640 - 725 - 4

Seems there is a change in point with RORC, where VSR and credits are not the same anymore and much higher.

edit:
own VSR-level added (to my best knowledge). the VSR level can change when a previous race is closed. I will be VSR6 when SH closes.

Post by zezo | 2017-12-31 | 15:14:56

Any idea about your own VSR level at different times? It seems to affect the points-credits balance for players below 50

Post by Ursus Maritimus | 2017-12-31 | 15:29:48

I have added it as best guess to above post

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 15:30:10

The calculation seems to work also for the lower ranking according to your data, I will try with my 2nd boat to see what happens.
So you should have 1934 points for the VOR in total at the moment.

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 15:16:30

Yes that seems to be the amount of coins you receive that are transformed into the points for the VOR /Clipper. I did not try to calculate how to transform coins into VSR points!
I made the calculation for a few players with the amount of points they have on both Clipper and VOR (I got their ranking) and it seems to work, provided you use the different formula for the different races.

Post by zezo | 2017-12-31 | 15:19:25

1800-1600 = 200 ... 200 ponts, first 50 players ... thinking out loud

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 15:24:01

BTW does the link to the spreadsheet works?

Post by Ursus Maritimus | 2017-12-31 | 15:29:15

no, you need permission to access and I made the request.

I think it is better to share with just the link in google drive

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12fXf_a_C9KQAWW0Sj6uDu1pJ1GdklqNki9wcJv0vbSY/edit#gid=1564497598

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 15:36:29

Just changed the settings, everyone should have read/write access now. This is the first time I use google drive... :)

Post by Ursus Maritimus | 2017-12-31 | 15:40:31

I have. you could use the url-shortener at goo.gl.

that gives some more insight on the number of hits. I have more than 750 on the JVT timesheet

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 16:04:36

How do you do that?

Post by Ursus Maritimus | 2017-12-31 | 16:09:50

go to https://goo.gl and paste your url to shorten.
you need to be logged in to your google account.

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 16:39:05

Thanks.

Post by UR2L8 | 2017-12-31 | 18:25:03

Hi
Sorry if I misunderstand,
but shouldn't the formula be
1600 * race coefficient / ranking^0.25
and not 1800 *...?

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 18:52:27

Oups, that's true, this is 1600, not 1800. Mixed the numbers with the leg 3 giving 4800 points to the winner I guess.
Maybe Cvetan can change that to avoid confusion because I cannot edit the first post.

Post by zezo | 2017-12-31 | 19:17:55

Nobody can edit the first post but the DBA ;-)

Post by zezo | 2017-12-31 | 19:23:14

update forum_posts set text = replace(text,'1800','1600') where post_id = 15921;

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-12-31 | 19:27:46

Great! Thank you ! Time for party now ! Happy new year !

Post by Charlie2010 | 2017-12-31 | 18:41:49

It should be 1600 and the spreadsheet actually uses 1600 and not 1800.

Post by nsp | 2018-01-01 | 07:01:20

U N B E L I E V A B L E.

We working again because those gentlemean in VR just don't want to answer us....

This is going to end!

Post by Lazy_Hikers_Finland | 2018-01-01 | 07:28:07

gentlemen? They have nothing to do with gentlemen!

Do you still remember this?

"The day you want to enter real business, note one thing at first, stealing is not creating. Stealing is just stealing. Stealing a car is the same as stealing programs, datas (intellectual property). Stealing drives to pay fines or more.

Philippe, founder/owner of Virtual Regatta"

And the not so gentlemanly is ..... Philippe Guign�

______________________________

Messieurs? Ils n'ont rien � voir avec les messieurs!

Tu te souviens encore de �a?

�Le jour o� vous voulez entrer dans le vrai business, notez une chose au d�but, voler ne cr�e pas, voler, c'est voler, voler des voitures, c'est voler des programmes, des donn�es (propri�t� intellectuelle), voler des amendes ou plus.

Philippe, fondateur / propri�taire de Virtual Regatta "

Et le pas si gentil est ..... Philippe Guign�

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-03 | 23:58:56

Hi everybody,

First, a huge thanks to Cvetan for the tremendous help he brings to all of us with the tools, and the "sharing area" of this forum.

As a follow up to Marcus findings for the credits calculation, i have had a look to the way to go from credits to VSR points for a race.

At this stage, and based on the data i can see in this topic + my own races results + some others, my assumption would be that the difference between the credits and the points you win in a race is only linked to the Race Coefficient (from 6 to 1), and to the Sailor VSR Level (from 1 to 14). So for a given VSR Level (let's say 14), and a given Coefficient (let's say 5) you will have always the same gap between credits and points (277 with our example Level 14 / Coef 5).
As an example, in the Sydney Hobart which was a Level 5 (max credit 1600*2 = 3200), Your Mom SA with his 3rd place has win 3200/3^0,25 = 2431 credits, and 2431 - 277 = 2154 points (which we can check now in the WW ranking).

If we come to the formulas, for each Race Coefficient, we have a fixed "Decrease Factor" (32 for Coef 4 and 21.333 for Coef 5), and we have NbrPoints = NbrCredits - DecreaseFactor * (SailorVSRLevel - 1).

For example, if we take the second boat of Cvetan (VSR Level 4) :
- in the VOR (Coef 4), we have 862-766 = 96 = 32*(4-1)
- in the S-H (Coef 5), we have 673-609 = 64 = 21.333*(4-1)

To date, we have only data for race coefficient 4 and 5 with the new calculation algorithm which in place since the RORC, so we must wait to define the "Decrease Factor" for the other race coefficients (1, 2, 3, 6). What we can notice nevertheless, is that the proportion between the DF for Coef 4 and 5 is 1.5, which is exactly the proportion between the number of free credits we get at the start of the race (1200 for Coef 4 vs 800 for Coef 5). Perhaps we can have a clue based on that ... We will have a better vision when the TJV will end !

Hope it helps !
Fair winds to all of you
Benoit

Post by zezo | 2018-01-04 | 08:39:52

Well done.

Looking at the numbers, 96 and 64 are 32 * k

where k is the multiplier corresponding to the VSR level from the first post

and 21.333 = 32/1.5

And the difference comes from rank below/above 50

Or is it (k-1)? Confusing with just 2 data points indeed, with possible factors 2 and 3. And with changing rules.

Have to look at the numbers again after catching some sleep, but the general idea is clear.

Post by nsp | 2018-01-04 | 09:58:56

lol.

I always feel amazed when looking (or reading) something from a mathematician (or phisics, chemistry, astrophisics, quantics etc) and how easy it seems.

In my world of letters the maximum I can achieve is solve a problem with a rule of three, a calculator or a spreadsheet. And the last one someone has to create or format it for me. Even navigation I still love to do it with rule and compass and even sextant. Not that for racing and even for leisure I don't use gps and pc or pads and software, still...

Good job guys :)))

Post by mjstevens | 2018-01-04 | 16:40:11

I second NSP!

and must also give a special thanks to the handfull of masterminds that have developed the various graphical tools, plug-ins and spreadsheets, prevented a total brain meltdown and failure!

tks ;)

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-06 | 20:01:15

Not 10O% sure my explanation what very clear ;-)

I've decided to create a simple spreadsheet which do the calculation based on the VSR Level, the race category (coefficient), and the rank.
I have also added a "reverse" calculation of the rank needed to obtain a specified number of credits, or points within a race.

Just have to enter the values in the green cells.

Here is the link to the google sheet (hope I have chosen the good sharing options !) :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UtXGvMWG7ODCAaIJTAqjr__lvTehvgY9hyhb9rYX7vk/edit?usp=sharing

Cheers

Post by nsp | 2018-01-07 | 03:27:03

Hi BGsteMarine,

Amazing work.

But now I confess I am even a bit more confused about the different value of VOR and Clipper legs so far. Eg. How did Sideshow as a winner got only 1600 points in leg 1? Was he a level 1 and the leg a level 6? I am almost certain the level wasn't a level 6.

Maybe someone can confirm this and give some data.

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2018-01-07 | 13:43:36

Hi NSP, he was level 1, so got all the 1600 credits transformed into 1600 VSR points. Then went directly to level 3 I think.
As a reminder, credits are transformed directly into race points for the race ranking (which is normal, no reason why your level would impact the points you get) and there is a additional formula, that BGsteMarine has developped, that changes the credits into the VSR points.

Post by nsp | 2018-01-08 | 03:18:21

Thank you Marc. Understood!

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-07 | 23:26:21

Hi nsp, the first clipper leg in the VR (second in the real race) from Punta del Este to Cap Town, was a Category 5 race, but for this race, it was still the "old" calculation system which was in place (far less credits and points).
I have not try to find what was the algorithm for this old system, even if it seems to be based also on a fixed gap between credits and points for a given VSR Level and Race Category.
We will also have to check what's happening for the points calculation when the race make you change one (or two) level up, but we will need more data to clarify that !

Post by nsp | 2018-01-08 | 03:23:32

Hi BGsteMarine,
Thank you,
So Leg 1 from VOR wich was not a level 6 race, was also under the old system?
So we have to reach to the conclusion that this clever people in VR are changing Systems without any I stress ANY kind of information, anywhere?
And even the moderators in Club House don't know it?
And even if asked, they simply ignore the answer?

WOW

Post by Le Genevois | 2018-01-19 | 10:01:19

Your Excel table works very well.
I finished 68th in race 6 of the Clipper (grade 5) and I received 965 points and 114 credits (level 8)
I finished 1494th in race 4 of the VOR (grade 4) and I received 388 points and 772 credits (level 13 because he forgot some points they gave me back this week).
Good work because I can now set goals more easily and calculate the rankings of my friends without waiting for the ranking to be updated at the end of each race.
Thank you very much for your work
Good wind

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

Le Genevois J�r�me

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2018-01-06 | 22:56:57

Hi BGsteMarine, just had a look on your spreadsheet. It is quite nice. Your calculation makes sense. I am just surprised that VR does not take into account the number of players in the calculation.
What we could do to verify the formula is to populate a table with the different data, the ranking VSR, the level of the player, etc. I will update my spreasheet to put some of the data I have seen on this site and then we can put additional data once the VOR and Clipper are finished.

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-07 | 23:44:15

Hi Marcus, yes, I was also surprised that the number doesn't influence the points, but I noticed that quite early in fact, based on my own results :
For the 3rd leg of the Zanzib Cup, I have been ranked 302, and received then 122 credits and 74 points (122-48). For the VOR Prologue, I have finished 318, and received 120 credits and 72 points (120-48 also). So the rank, credits and points allocation was very close, despite the number of players was very different (about 8300 for Zanzib, and 22000 for VOR Prologue). So that guide me to something independent of the players number !
I will be glad to get more data and check the assumptions, but I am quite confident now for race categories 4 and 5.
I'm quite impatient too to be able to see what's happening for other race category and check if the assumption to be proportional to the initial credit allocation is correct or not. Probably we will have to wait for the end of the TJV for that checking, because I presume that all the coming VOR and Clipper legs will be of 4th or 5th category !

Post by zezo | 2018-01-07 | 23:48:34

When you look at the race definition there is no detailed pricing, just a single variable (for the VOR):

"priceLevel": 4

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-07 | 23:56:57

hum ... that seems in sync with what i call "race category", but we cannot be fully sure at this stage that they apply a linear factor based on that priceLevel to the gap between credits and points, even if they do on the initial credit allocation, and on the price for the sails, winch, foils, etc ...

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2018-01-08 | 22:51:22

Just checked your spreadsheet. The last race taken into account is the S-H. It seems that the maximum amount of negative point you can get is -176. A few players level 14 got that amount, probably people that did not finish the race. With your formula, we get that value only if there were 1 000 000 players, which is not right. But VR might give that amount to a player that did not finish a race, to force a player to cross the finish line. It would be interesting to know what was the place of La Semillance when he arrived, he got -17 points, which corresponds to a ranking around 23000, which might be correct since he let his boat floating around for a couple of days. Cannot remember how much boats were part of the race.

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-09 | 00:39:34

Yes ! This seems very likely. And the "1 000 000" sounds good for a maximum theoretical ranking.
For the S-H, a couple of minutes after my arrival, the number of skippers in the world ranking was 37 570, so very compatible with the 23 000 for La Semillance.

BTW, I have added some data points in your spreadsheet, from my own results.

Post by zezo | 2018-01-13 | 21:14:16

To add another data point (confirming the current observations)

I just got 2*1600*fourth_root(rank) coins in the Clipper, and 277 less VSR points (with TOP VSR rank)

And 250 (capped) buy-back points for 61 cards

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-17 | 01:15:18

Yes ! Same confirmation for me in the clipper (with Light sails) : Level 12, rank 803, 601 coins and 366 VSR credits.

@Marcus, did you get what was expected for your excellent rank 8, ie 1903 coins and 1626 VSR Points ?

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2018-01-17 | 19:42:51

@ BgsteMarine, yes this is the amount I got. What would be interesting to is to track the top players which just start a boat without playing really

Post by Charlie2010 | 2018-01-18 | 01:11:00

The formula for VOR leg 4 is the same as in leg 3: I got 2771 points for rank 9.

Post by Le Genevois | 2018-01-19 | 10:09:43

@BGSteMarine Your Excel spreadsheet works very well.
I finished 68th in race 6 of the Clipper (grade 5) and I received 965 points and 114 credits (rank 8)
I finished 1494th in race 4 of the VOR (grade 4) and I received 388 points and 772 credits (rank 13 because he forgot some points they gave me back this week).
Good work because I can now set goals more easily and calculate the rankings of my friends without waiting for the ranking to be updated at the end of each race.
Thank you very much for your work
Good wind

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2018-01-20 | 15:42:01

Just checked the formula of BGSteMarine for another player. 350th, get 1110 credits and 694 points VSR (level 14). So also working
@ BGSteMarine, I would suggest to post my excel spreadsheet and your's on VR clubhouse if it is fine with you.

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-20 | 15:52:12

@ Marcus,
Yes sure !
Let's make it useful for as many person as possible.
Thanks.

btw, congratulations for your impressive rank #5 in the last leg of the VOR ! :-)

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-20 | 15:44:02

Thanks Le Genevois
Happy to bring my small contribution to this great community.

We will soon be able to check the rule for grade 6 races, with the closure of Marseille to Cartage trophy.

Post by taberly | 2018-01-20 | 20:11:07

Hello all

Your Excel works very well.
I finished 21th in race 4 of the VOR and I received 1858 points and 2242 credits
my rank is 13

a big thank you to Cvetan for his z�zo and his forum
and a big thank you to all those who contribute to develop tools that VR does not want to put at our disposal.

Eric

Translated with google ;-)

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2018-01-22 | 21:09:49

Hello, I have created a new subject on the VR Clubhouse with the 2 excel spreasheets. Hope the topic will not be removed !!

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-22 | 23:16:41

Hopefully not ! ;-)

Post by Flying Phil | 2018-01-24 | 22:39:20

Post by Ursus Maritimus | 2018-01-25 | 19:08:22

I've supported your post Marcus. Maybe others can do the same in the House Club

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-01-29 | 21:52:04

Hi, good news !
With the closure of the Marseille - Carthage Trophy, we now have data points to check the algorithm for Level 6 races.
I have made the check for VSR level 14 with mangina - PYR, Your Mom SA, Big Bird @zezo.org and KLM2235, and for VSR level 13 with my own result, and everything works fine !

If somebody can check for a couple of other VSR Levels, that would be nice, even if I am quite confident.

Adding again the link to the worksheet for easier access :

Credits & VSR Points Calculation

Post by nsp | 2018-01-30 | 03:50:11

Totally right with my level 10 with 14th place.

Thanks a lot to you BGS and you Marc.

Great Job

Nuno

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-03-17 | 18:54:44

Hi all,
this week I have had the chance to solve a question that was tickling me since a while : What's happen if your VSR level changes between the time you finish a race and the time this race is closed ? Do you receives the points associated with your old VSR level as calculated in the "congratulation panel" at the end of the race, or are you credited with the points associated with your new level when the race is closed ?
And the answer is ... the 2nd one !
The scenario was this one (with my second "test" boat") :
1- finished the VOR Leg 6 race on Feb, 27th. My VSR level was 1, with 389 points. The congratulation panel told me the estimated VSR points I should get will be 449 points.
2- Started, then finished the Dubai-Muscat race on Mar, 11th. The race closed on Mar, 13th, 15:00 CET. Still VSR 1, so I received 239 points, and then be promoted to level 2 with 628 points.
3- VOR 6 has then been closed on Mar,13th at 18:00 CET, and as being now level 2, I finally received 417 points and not 449.

CQFD as we say in french ! (Ce Qu'il Fallait Demontrer)

By the way, with the closure of the Champion Challenge this week we also have had the chance to validate the credit & points calculation algorithm for level 2 races, and it's OK ! ;-)

Post by nsp | 2018-03-19 | 03:03:33

thank you BGS for the info...quod erat demonstrandum :)

Post by YourMomSA | 2018-03-20 | 03:28:50

Excellent work here. I'm wondering about two things...

- Do we know how the points for overall series standings are calculated? (I mean the points when you look at the Volvo overall standings, or the Clipper overall standings, not the credits or VSR points you get back) If that was covered here, I may have missed it.

- Do we have a way to be confident about how many races count for each overall series? I realize if you look at the standings, Clipper says "Best 10" and Volvo says "Best 6", but I remember seeing Clipper leg announcement emails where they said we'd have something like 5 or 8 throwouts, so I don't trust that 10 to not change. Also... Does "Best" mean "most points" or "best finish"? Hopefully "most points", I guess... If it means "best finish", then you could actually hurt your score by posting a good finish in a weak category leg. It seems really stupid, either way, to have different categories in different legs of a series with throwouts.

I realize we probably can't figure out the second part... At least not until we've done enough legs for the throwouts to occur. But it doesn't hurt to ask, since VR isn't going to explain it.

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-03-20 | 23:10:33

Hi YourMomSA,
yes, I have had a look to that question since a couple of legs in the Volvo and Clipper.
From what I see, the full race ranking that they show is based on the sum of the credits you get in each leg (not points, but credits, so not linked to your VSR level).
By now, we have only 7 closed legs for Clipper, and 5 for the VOR, so we do not have reach the max number for the "best nnn", and we cannot yet check that they really select the "best legs" either on rank, or credits. My assumption would be the second case when looking at how they calculate the current full race ranking.

And fully agree with you that we have a discrepancy for Clipper between what they say in the game (best 10) and what they claim in the legs announcement mails (best 5). However, we can see that their current full race ranking is based on the first 7 legs, so most probably, they will go to "best 10".

We will check that within a couple of months ;-)

Post by YourMomSA | 2018-03-21 | 01:08:47

Thanks, BGSM. I agree with your assessment of the "best N races" topic. Regarding the full race ranking, though... I pulled up my history and used your spreadsheet to calculate how many credits I would have won for each leg of both Clipper and VOR, and then added them up... and the result was too high. So I played with things a bit... It came out fairly close to the right total when I used an exponent of 0.31 instead of 0.25... But I doubt that's the actual correct result. Unfortunately, I haven't kept track of how many points I've received for each leg incrementally. All I know is my total score for each. To properly figure this out, we'd need multiple people who have been keeping track of their scores leg-by-leg. :-(

But... if your scores match the credits received, perhaps I have made a mistake and should go back and check again.

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-03-21 | 17:09:14

Thank you for checking, YMSA.
I think I know why you get a higher number. VR has changed the credit calculation algorithm late november, and my worksheet implement only the current algorithm which is then only valid since the RORC Transat early december.
The new algorithm is far more "generous" than the first one.
Happily, marcusbelgicus have also defined the first algorithm, so we will be able to define the exact credits you got for the firsts legs of VOR and Clipper.

So for Clipper 2 & 3, and VOR 1 & 2, you have to use the old formula :
Credits = 1600 * (7 - RaceLevel) / Rank^0,45
and for all the other legs, the current formula (the one in my worksheet) :
Credits = 1600 * (7 - RaceLevel) / Rank^0,25

Hope this will explain the gap, but I am quite confident as this works fine for my own results.

Post by YourMomSA | 2018-03-21 | 20:22:53

You and marcusbelgicus are amazing. With this adjustment, my totals come out exactly right.

This information is very useful for anyone trying to compete for a good overall result in VOR or Clipper. It allows you to...

1 - Look up your race history to figure out exactly how many points were contributed to your overall total from each leg of each race, using the above two formulas. (Note: There was no Volvo Leg 5 or Clipper Leg 1, and Clipper Leg 5 is listed in History as Sydney-Hobart).

2 - Evaluate which legs are your high-point legs for so far, which will likely count in the end, and which are the low-point legs that you'd prefer to be able to throw out by doing better.

3 - Once a future leg's Category is defined, you can therefore determine how well you have to do in that leg to beat your worst pre-existing scores (more relevant in VOR, where several thowouts occur, than in Clipper where only 2 can be thrown out, assuming it stays as it appears to be defined).

Here's why I think it's particularly helpful... I suspect that the last legs of both series will be categorized weakly, because they'll be quite short. Probably Category 5 and maybe Category 6. A mediocre finish in a Category 4 leg will be worth more than an excellent finish in a Category 5 or 6 leg. I might not bother to spend the time and money on a Category 6 Volvo Leg 11 if my 6th-best score in other legs brought me more than 1,000 points, for example.

It seems really wrong to me that they have throwouts at all, in a series with legs that have different categories and even different calculations... but it is what it is, and at least now it's possible to understand it. Thanks, BGSM and Marcusbelgicus!!!

Post by YourMomSA | 2018-03-21 | 20:47:58

Also... That change in formula is extremely punishing for anyone who did well in the first two legs of either event without winning. For example, my 51st in Category 4 Volvo Leg 2 was worth 818 points instead of the 1796 that it would have been worth with the newer formula. To score 818 points in another Category 4 Volvo leg with the newer formula, I just need to finish 358th or better. There's a huge difference in a Volvo leg between 51st and 358th, but VR's scoring approach has made them equivalent even though the legs had the same category. C'est la vie, I suppose.

Post by Saileellely | 2018-03-20 | 06:22:02

Be carefull. The estimated points in the race screen after you finished may be different from the awarded points in the end.

During the Clipper 8 race in the race screen it now states "estimated vsr points 554".

In the start-upscreen - race history it states that i gained 522 points on the clipper 8 race.

by the way, I am a level 5 player, before the race and after the race.

Post by BGSteMarine | 2018-03-20 | 23:33:47

Hi Saileellely,
your case looks very similar to the one I describe in my post above.
Based on the algorithm we found, with a rank of 2966 in a race level 4, we get 554 points if we are VSR Level 4, and 522 points if we are VSR Level 5.
So the numbers suggest you were still VSR 4 when finishing the Clipper Leg 8, then been promoted VSR level 5 with the closure of either VOR Leg 6 or Dubai-Muscat, and then been awarded of the 522 points as VSR 5

Post by Saileellely | 2018-03-22 | 06:43:29

Good explanation. Thanks

Post by YourMomSA | 2018-05-15 | 23:38:45

Well... Leg 8 has closed, and the Overall standings include all 7 races that have been sailed (remember, there was no virtual Leg 5). It will be interesting to see if they sort things out and score only everyone's best 6 as it says they would, or what...

Of course, with the scoring system being different for Legs 1 and 2 versus the rest, and Leg 1 being Category 6, there are enough inconsistencies in it to be a problem anyway. But that's for the contenders to worry about. I'm doing ok overall, but not well enough to be distressed over this.

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2018-05-16 | 18:12:03

I fear you won't get any answer and they will adapt the rules... rules that nobody will know until we have the final result, the ranking of each leg being influenced by the lack of precision in your final time calculation. With the scoring system being unconsistent, the leg 1 is almost useless for your final ranking, unless they take into account all legs, which would not surprise me.
Look at the clipper, on the email, they still announce that only the 5 best legs will be taken into account and on the race itself, they announced the 10 best legs for the final ranking.
So 5 legs, 10 legs or... all of them? I bet with you (a belgian beer !) that they will take all legs.

Post by YourMomSA | 2018-05-16 | 18:26:33

I think they'll keep it vague/confusing until after Leg 10... and then they'll write a news article about how close the competition is, involving competitors from multiple countries who all still have a chance to win, etc... as exciting as possible... And then they'll resolve the vagueness with adjustments that fit the story.

Post by YourMomSA | 2018-05-18 | 12:24:02

It looks like they have fixed it. It's scoring the best 6 now.